When you first meet me, you might not think that I’m autistic.
I’m probably not the stereotype the that average person would think of when imagining an autistic person or someone who’s been diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome. I know this because since I started disclosing to casual friends and new people, I’ve received several variations on disbelief including “I would never have known”, “You don’t seem autistic to me”, “You aren’t like any people with Asperger’s I know” and “I obviously don’t understand what autism is”.
(Although people who’ve lived with or worked closely with me have instead said that “This explains a lot”, “makes sense” or that trait lists “describe you perfectly”).
Most media depictions are a simplification or focus on children, textbook definitions don’t account for growing up and developing coping strategies, and people tend to generalise the traits of the small sample of autistic people they’ve met into an idea about all of us. By definition, stereotypes are simplistic and limiting while the autistic spectrum is diverse and varied.
I also know that I don’t fit many of the stereotypes for Asperger Syndrome because for the first ten years of my adult life, I had the recurring experience of hearing or reading someone talking about what it was like to be autistic and finding myself relating incredibly strongly to some new aspect of it. Each time this happened I’d go into an intense period of research, hoping again that this would explain how I was different. Every time I would ultimately abandon the idea having found some other rigid explanation of what having Asperger’s was like that I wasn’t able to reconcile myself with.
It was something different each time. First it was how people with Asperger’s didn’t care about the feelings of others then, after I discounted that, how they were monotonous, overly formal or spoke with a flat affect. Then when I came across exceptions to that, how they were extremely shy or socially avoidant, then how they were highly organised, following rigid routines, then how they lacked imagination and creativity, or only read non-fiction and disliked the theatre.
It was only through learning that the DSM-5 would be removing the distinction between Asperger’s and autism, that I instead researched autism as a whole. And by doing that I started to see myself reflected.
Ironically, I first found confirmation that I fit the spectrum in outdated lists of how adults labelled with Asperger’s differed from those labelled with ‘High Functioning Autism’; not in the Asperger’s column but in the list of things that people with my lack of childhood speech delay supposedly didn’t do. (One of my books even says that people with Asperger’s don’t tend to stim, and another fails to mention this at all!)
After learning that the consensus was now that having had a speech delay or not made no meaningful difference to the person in adulthood, I was able to read older materials about ‘High Functioning Autism’, and from there newer articles about ‘atypical’ and non-stereotypical Asperger’s, including alternative ‘types’ such as “Hidden Autistics” and newly developed stereotypes for how Asperger’s presented in women and girls. The more perspectives on the autistic spectrum I read, the more alternative lists of traits I came across and the more theory I understood, the more I recognised as fitting me.
I now see the old stereotypes as corresponding with a subset of the spectrum, but also as corresponding with only some of the possible coping mechanisms for growing up with social impairments while still being verbally able. Ones that are likely to be more common if you’re socialised as male, but which are by no means the only response. And ones that have previously been disproportionally selected for during autism assessments (or at least, other presentations were selected against).
As for how I come across on first impressions in casual social situations? Well obviously I’ve never had a first impression of myself or interacted with myself from the outside. But I have had a lot of conversations about my social interactions; first while I was trying to explore if I was autistic, and then later when trying to adjust to and disclose my diagnosis. How I come across to others has been discussed in some detail.
So then, assuming I’m not sensory overloaded or fearing for my safety, I tend to be humorous, animated and enthusiastic. Possibly over-expressive, definitely with way more gesticulation that is usual.
If you smile at me I’ll probably smile back and I’ll probably laugh at your jokes even if I don’t always get them, because I have the habit of mirroring other people’s positive emotions. In fact I find it difficult to stop myself from smiling when I’m happy or other people are happy.
If you seem to value eye contact, then I’ll probably mirror this (although possibly in a slightly awkward way), if you don’t seem to be looking at me, I’ll happily look at something else while I talk. I may even start to pick up your vocal mannerisms and accent, although this isn’t intentional.
If the environment is safe and comfortable, I tend to be energised by social interactions (which is some people’s definition of extraversion). In fact before I recognised this and learnt to moderate myself better, I often used to become extremely over-enthusiastic in new situations and would come across as manic or, as a friend once said, ‘completely freaking out’.
If I’m around the right people who appreciate the things that I like to talk about, then I’m likely to be actively interacting with others. This doesn’t mean that I’m necessarily good at these sorts of social interactions, but it does mean that I’ve learnt how to choose social situations where I’m more likely to fit in, to be appreciated and where having impaired social communication isn’t a barrier to participation. (Yay science fiction conventions!)
When I’m talking I tend to lace everything with humour (although not necessarily humour that I expect anyone but me to notice or enjoy) and may grin or laugh at my own jokes.
Because I use so much humour, people often assume that I’m joking or being intentionally silly when I’m not, which can allow them to overlook signs that I’m failing to understand them or respond appropriately. If I take something literally then people often assume that this is a joke, this is compounded by the fact that almost all my humour is connected to the absurd literal meanings of words (unless it’s sci-fi references and personal in jokes).
I have a habit of forgetting to greet people because I’m so excited by seeing them, or distracted by something they’re wearing, holding, saying or doing. Sometimes I remember that I forgot to do this and do so twenty minutes into the conversation. I’m told that this has the same jarring effect as suddenly getting the opening credits to a TV show several scenes into the episode.
I’m talkative and likely to be the one doing the most talking, usually about whatever I’m interested in at the moment. My favourite type of interaction is probably closer to a lecture than a conversation, but I do try to remember to talk only half the time. I’m unfortunately really bad at telling if people are bored and not so great at remembering to ask them, and I’m also not good at telling if people are humouring me or genuinely interested, and if people ask me a really exciting question I might tend to forget all the rules.
I also tend to be verbose, not know which parts of an explanation to leave out and go off on long rambling tangents about barely related side topics. Then later jump back to the original topic exactly where I left off, often disorienting the listener.
However, I’ve had enough people genuinely beg me to keep talking about what I was talking about, and invitations to give talks and run workshops, to know that you may not ever realise that I have these problem because you were actually engaged by and interested in what I was saying and actually wanted me to talk ‘at’ you for hours. (Especially given that I try to pick my social outlets so they’re likely to be full of people who share my interests and passions).
The pitch and volume of my voice tend to go all over the place depending on who I’m talking to, what I’m talking about and whether I’ve just been singing. My vocal quality is closer to ‘sing-song’ than monotone. I tend not to notice if I’m speaking too loudly or if my voice has suddenly changed pitch. If I’m excited about something I may talk too quickly. This results in most people seeing me as very animated and expressive.
I’m also easily distracted by, notice and comment on other people’s conversations or the background music, and have a bad habit of managing to distract myself with something I’ve just said. If I realise that I’ve made a mistake or think of something new, I tend to immediately comment on it, even when doing so is inappropriate or distracting.
That isn’t intentional ‘quirkiness’; I have poor impulse control and generally tend to say whatever comes into my mind.
If I’m in a situation where it’s important to control my impulses then I tend to put a lot of effort into filtering myself and so finding this extremely tiring, so if I’m comfortable and in verbal mode then I’m probably unfiltered. However this does mean that on the small number of occasions where I got extremely drunk, I was still able to control myself and behave as if I was sober when it became necessary to do so.
I’m fidgety and tend to be in motion, but I’ve learned to limit this to inconspicuous motion unless I’m tired, at which point I may begin to squirm. However if I’m talking, my hands will probably be gesturing a lot. If I’m in a situation where I’m required to do something physical like dance, stand on one leg, jump up and down, swim in a pool or bounce on something (as long as the sensory environment is comfortable and it doesn’t hurt) I’ll probably look pretty strange but end up infectiously gleeful and giggly.
Although I can be quite cynical and pedantic, I can also be surprisingly childish and joyful in an entirely unselfconscious way. I may absentmindedly sing, dance or skip in public. Although my writing tends to come across as formal and my written tone seems to be taken as very serious, in person I’m faintly ridiculous.
In general people who’ve met me in environments where I’m comfortable, tend to report that I made a positive first impression on them. They use words like ‘intelligent’, ‘interesting’, ‘articulate’, ‘expressive’, ‘warm’, ‘funny’, ‘quirky’ and ‘likeable’. They also report assuming that I’m socially capable and comfortable because of this, even if I can seem pretty unconventional.
Of course the people I’ve got this feedback from are the ones who’ve got on well enough with me to be having those conversations, so they may be overly skewed towards the positive, but that also means they’ll tend to be people who communicate in honest and direct ways because that’s who I tend to be compatible with.
If you’d like to judge my ‘first impressions’ for yourself, here’s a video I made two years ago talking about androgynous voices and here’s me giving a talk about asexuality at the WorldPride Asexual Conference in 2012 (note though, someone else briefly introduces). Both of which I begin by introducing myself and talking a little about my history.
Despite coming across to most people as socially confident and able on first impressions, or when I’m interacting in an environment where I’m comfortable and appreciated, the specialists who undertook my diagnostic assessment didn’t have any difficulty giving me a diagnosis of autism. It’s standard procedure at that service to have the two assessors discuss and analyse the assessment results in detail and report back on if they’re diagnosing or not in a follow up appointment weeks later. But in my case they were both confident enough to tell me I’d been diagnosed immediately.
My diagnostic assessment report states that:
“Nat comes across as socially capable in their interaction and described themself as making an initial good impression. As more time is spent with Nat, it becomes more apparent that the social reciprocity is learnt rather than instinctive.”
That summarises the issue well. I have learnt good surface social skills (and enough social confidence that my failings don’t matter) and I have very little social anxiety, but the more time you spend with me past a first impression or a casual social interaction, the more likely you are to realise that we’re not making deeper social connections.
You might notice that I’m very often misunderstanding you or changing the subject back to something I’m more confident about. You may notice that I give ‘mixed signals’; seem to be socially reciprocating your interest but then seem to ‘go cold’. You may notice that I make ‘socially careless’ comments or don’t give the responses you’d expect.
If we socialise somewhere that overloads my senses, you might wonder why I’m so much more withdrawn than usual or seem to have trouble thinking clearly or remembering the words for things. You may wonder why I make my excuses and leave early, or why I’m too tired to talk to you the next day.
Ultimately you might give up on me, assuming I didn’t really like you or that I’m not worth the effort, or I might tell you I’m autistic which will either shock you or explain a lot, depending on how much time we’ve spent together outside of my ‘comfort zone’.
You might never even get to know me. I have difficulty approaching people, especially if we haven’t been introduced or there isn’t a reason or ‘permission’ to be talking. I also have difficulty recognising that people want to talk to me if they don’t show this in a direct way. When combined with the fact that I may seem socially able and confident enough to talk to anyone, this results in me only talking to assertive people who’ve approached me in a very direct way and then not been put off by my apparently carelessness.
Disclosing doesn’t always help. Lipreading deaf or hard of hearing people who ‘sound hearing’ (due to having the higher pitched sibilant sounds in their speech) can find that people with otherwise good deaf awareness find it difficult to remember to keep their lips visible to them while speaking because they’ve associated this behaviour with deaf-sounding people. In the same way, my over-expressiveness and ‘active but odd’ outgoingness can mean that people who understand how to accommodate autistic traits may forget that they need to when talking to me.
Most people’s stereotype of autism includes that the person is noticeably poor at socialising, this usually seems to mean that the person doesn’t seem confident, that they’re ‘rude’ or monotonous or boring. I’ve even had someone tell me when I was seeking assessment that I couldn’t be autistic because they found me too ‘warm and likeable’ – quite some prejudice there!
Even people with good autism awareness tend to expect to be able to tell that the other person is autistic so that they can adjust. Making a ‘good first impression’ isn’t always positive if it means that people assume too much of you or attribute malice to your impairments and coping strategies.
This said, I make very little effort to ‘pass’ as non-autistic. When I feel comfortable and safe my traits are very visible, if you know what to look for. I used to have negative coping strategies that made me socially withdrawn, repressed and constantly uncomfortable with who I was, but I’m lucky enough to have found a way to break out these while I was still in my teens and vowed never to ‘pass’ again long before I learned that I was autistic.
All the things that I’ve said about myself above are clear autistic traits that would count towards a formal diagnosis. Even the positive traits that lead people to see me as expressive, enthusiastic, engaging and likeable.
More autistic people than ever before are growing up having words for who they are and the understanding of the people around them. And more of us are talking openly about our experiences and are visible autistic faces to the world around us. I hope that soon the public understanding of the autistic spectrum will widen and more happy, flappy, stimmy, enthusiastic archetypes of all genders will join the currently understood stereotypes.
22 thoughts on “First Impressions of a Non-stereotypical Autistic”
Based on this criterion I too must be somewhere on the autism spectrum, but I don’t think I am.
The thing with first impressions is that they’re only a shallow superficial idea of what the person is really like. Autism is pervasive and affects every part of a person’s life, the assessment process is focused on far more than just whether you can come across well on first impressions.
What I’ve written about above really only covers one part of one of the three main diagnostic criteria for autism, and a small part of my life (meeting new people), but my traits are far too big to fit into one blog post (especially the way I write them!) and I had to start somewhere.
Fair enough. In that case I’m looking forward to reading about the other two parts.
I think the way you chose to structure your post is great, and while it is fairly thorough about those specific aspects, it is not overwhelmingly long. While it would be interesting to read more, your point is clear.
Thank you for saying so 🙂
Great post. I don’t have time to write my thoughts about it right now, but thank you for writing this and it is very helpful – it helps to clear up some sources of confusion and doubt for me too.
I’m glad that you’ve found it helpful, hope you have time to write your thoughts in more detail, I’d love to read your perspective 🙂
Thank you:-) and thanks again for your great insightful post. What you write resonates strongly with me although I am not outgoing with people like you. I am primarily introvert and solitaire. Albeit very interested in understanding others, I need to spend a lot of time on my own and tire very quickly when I have to interact with people.
Part of that is social, and part is sensory – I struggle to hear people when others talk nearby, I am extremely prone to sensory overload, and just can’t process so many things at once – so the sensory side has a huge impact on my social abilities.
Anyway, here is what resonates with me: when I feel comfortable – when in a well structured, well rehearsed and friendly context – confident about my “script” and with people I can trust, then I may come across as socially competent, engaging, intelligent, humorous (at least that is what I think), advanced, and definitely not socially anxious. I tend to be very enthusiastic and assertive when I’m onto a task or topic I can relate with, and am never afraid to say my opinion.
So very much “on” in the right context, even too eager and excited, struggling to keep my energy down so as to not annoy people… but “off” in social chit chat situations.
For me, it is all about structured/focused VS unstructured/unfocused socialising (plus sensory overload). Unstructured and unfocused – like mingling and chit chat doesn’t work, structured/focused – like purposeful, and under directed communication so people all focus in the same direction and don’t chat – can work extremely well.
That contrast is something that has confused people around me all along. For examples, my teachers in school saw me as very competent, mature and full of ideas, while amongst my classmates I was aware of having low social status and be considered “a bit to a side”. My teachers and peers uni saw me as competent, assertive, intelligent and helpful (from the feedback I got) based on my participation in class, but the peers that noticed me in the breaks, or worse – at the few parties I tried to attend, seemed to have considerably downgraded me, e.g. were not interested in talking to me or working in group with me.
Sometimes people meet me in a structured situation where I excel, and proudly want to introduce me to their friends in a social situation. Then I totally fall through. I have no idea how to talk with people if the conversation doesn’t have a clear purpose, especially not if they are a group/community and already know each other and have established their own little culture together.
Or, sometimes people have met me in a social mingling situation where I was withdrawn or standoffish, a loner-type who couldn’t blend in and didn’t really contribute socially, and they seem to be unaware of my existence even if I stand next to them. Then suddenly something useful comes up that I can relate to, the communication becomes structured, e.g. a collective problem solving process – and I suddenly take leadership and come with lots of ideas, trying to coordinate things and match peoples’ ideas et.c.
In some situations like that where I suddenly start to participate because suddenly I know what to say and do and relate to, everybody else go quiet and look at me when I start talking… as if in bafflement as if a furniture suddenly talks? (Not sure precisely what it means, but that is my guess)
I don’t have time for a long reply as I’m about to start work, but you may be amused to learn that my current longest draft and most likely candidate to be the next post here is titled ‘In Search of Structure’ and overlaps ridiculously closely with much of what you’ve said above. To the point where it would probably be more useful at this point to finish and publish that draft post than to reply to the rest of the comment – because if I hadn’t have posted this, people would have assumed it *was* my reply to your comment but long enough to justify a post 🙂
I was prevaricating last night because I read a guest post on Neuroqueer that resinated with the draft post on queer that I’ve had going since before the recent cluster of autistic blogs on ‘queer’ and was tempted to drop my social communication thread and move on to that (I gave myself an ‘in’ with the conclusion of this post) but your comment has convinced me that ‘In Search of Structure’ really needs to be as close to the First Impressions post as possible, thanks 🙂
I am amused:-) and looking forward to reading your post.
I have a question: during your research, did you do any of the online screening tests for Aspergers, and was your score on the aspie or neurotypical side?
Just because those tests seem very focused on the social aspects and introversion.
I scored over the threshold when I did them, and I thought that was because I am a solitaire person and the tests emphasise that aspergers = solitaire, introvert, with strong self-acknowledged social skills deficiencies.
If my dad did a test like that then I think his score would be very high (assuming he would apply self-awareness) because he is extremely solitaire and much more socially error prone than me. He is also stereotypical in his science-type interests, rigid routines, elaborate projects organising objects in categories, stiff movements, and lack of understanding of emotional dramas… Very much a rigid rules & categories kind of person.
However, he is relatable, and conversing with him is meaningful (at least for me). It is fact-based, and not chit-chat, typically about concrete topics like honey bees (his latest hobby) or bushfire (I live in Australia). That would maybe not be a conversation in everybody’s taste, but it is real and social and a real information exchange; there is a sense of connection and learning more about the other person.
My brother did this one and his score was about 50 – 50 aspie/neurotypical. My brother is basically very similar to me in how his mind operates and he is much more visible awkward than me, I think. I would say he is definitely an aspie too – but he has not been through the rather extreme social difficulties I have, and has always seemed to have friends. He is much less solitaire than me and socially has much more practice in being connected with people. He comes across as intelligent, humorous, sympathetic and friendly (and he is very much all that) albeit a bit tense and awkward, and quick to tire & withdraw.
My mother is probably the one I would consider worst hit in terms of social deficiencies, but not at a glance. I feel that she has extremely low self-awareness, very poor understanding of other’s perspectives (including the impact of what she says, does or writes), very repetitive conversation manners – conversations basically going around in large loops, always about herself, and she has no listening skills at all whatsoever. I don’t even know how to relate to her – I can’t sense who she is a person, there seems to be only mechanic behaviours and communication, no intuitive connection at all. (my brother seems to see her the same way, and possibly my dad as well although he hasn’t been explicit about it)
However, she is not solitaire, she has friends, she is socially outgoing and she takes pride in being a sociable person who interacts with people and participate in society. She is great at interacting with strangers and acquaintances who haven’t heard all her conversations before.
If she did an online screening test for aspergers then I am sure she would score well into the neurotypical range simply because while her social skills suck, she doesn’t have enough self-awareness to know that, so that is not what she would self-report. Ironically, if she had better social skills, then she might be able to more accurately asses her social abilities and her self-reporting would be more negative and she would end with a less neurotypical score.
The social aspects are not all there is to it for neither my dad, brother or mother… I just thought that is what was most relevant to mention here.
So, my point is that I think autism traits pervades my family although I am the only one with a diagnosis, but who of them would be likely to be seen as most autistic-like (my dad) does not correlate with the severity of symptoms but with stereo-typicality. Just based on my subjective opinion.
I’ve just posted a comment on the spectrum visual metaphors thread that touched on the genetic/inherited components of the spectrum, so I’ll leave that angle.
But yes, I think there’s good reason why the diagnostic assessment process usually involves a family member who’s known the person since childhood and can give an external view of traits, and how they manifested before coping strategies could develop,
Also a good reason why online tests are just for screening and aren’t any substitute for actually having a detailed in person assessment with specialist clinicians.
As for how I score on the screening tests…
I get 1 point below the cut off on Simon Baron Cohen’s AQ-50 test, making me not likely to be autistic.
However the on AQ-10 test, which is based on a statistical study of which of the 10 questions out of the original 50 most closely correlate to an actual diagnosis, I get a score of 9, where only 6 is needed to be likely autistic.
This is because Baron Cohen’s highly flawed and stereotypical ‘extreme male brain’ ideas are all over the AQ-50 while the AQ-10 removes these ‘neurosexist’ questions about the fiction vs non-fiction and if you like people.
On the RDOS Aspie Quiz I come out as ‘very likely an Aspie’:
Your Aspie score: 123 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 69 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
Graph image here http://www.rdos.net/eng/poly12c.php?p1=74&p2=70&p3=56&p4=85&p5=70&p6=67&p7=68&p8=72&p9=57&p10=51&p11=57&p12=85
I scored 135 on the RAADS-R and over the cut off for likely autism on all the individual scores.
I’ve already written my thoughts in depth on each of these tests during the Musings Of An Aspie ‘Take A Test Tuesday’ comment threads, if you want to re-read what I thought.
OK. That was a bit long.. . I don’t expect a reply any time soon. I may not notice your reply soon anyway, because your comments don’t show in my comment feed.
(this was about the two long comments below. I don’t know why it ended on top of them)
Don’t worry about length, I like having interesting comments.
Sorry for not being so great about replying quickly. I’ve been having some ‘writers block’ (mostly writing long posts I never published) recently which has been throwing me off.
Are you using Disqus to subscribe to comments? I think by default you should get emails when you get replies from Disqus, they should also show up on your dashboard there, where you can even follow individual users and (creepily!) see what they comment on any site using Disqus.
I mainly switched to Disqus because it instantly kills all spam comments, saving a huge amount of time with moderation, but it does have odd foibles like putting new comments you post in the wrong place until you reload the page. Hope it’s not causing you too much trouble.
Thank you for your reply! I am sorry I didn’t see it until now. Yes I am using Disqus but am a complete idiot with it and find it confusing (I am not receiving emails, but can see comment notifications when I login into Disqus … I just rarely do). Almost as confusing as Twitter (apart from just Tweeting… that’s easy). But otherwise no, it is not causing any trouble, it is a great tool it just requires some getting used to.
Now I get what you mean here:
because I followed you and a couple of others and now get to see a stream of EVERYTHING they comment on around the Internet, not just the discussions I participate in. You are right, that is creepy… facilitated stalking! I will unfollow everyone again.
Great explanation of why stereotypes and the general picture they give of autism fall short.
I started off trying to write an overview of all my traits but they split into three or four posts even in brief form, and wherever I started I realised that I was giving an incomplete representation and so a skewed impression of what I was like.
Then I hit on actually writing about the skewed unrepresentative first impressions most people get of me. If it was going to give a limited idea, why not build that concept into the post itself.
And from there the parts about stereotypes emerged to make it a blog post with a narrative and conclusion rather than just a list. Unfortunately it’s a bit long now, but I don’t think the three parts above would work separated into posts of their own.
The only thing I worry about is whether people will take this incomplete first impression I’ve presented and take it to mean that it represents the full extent of my autistic traits, or think that I’m saying all autistic people are really like me. But even then, that would be a pleasingly ironic consequence of intentionally describing only the ‘first impressions’.
Yeah, it’s funny how often a post doesn’t flow in the direction you expect. You have the idea and start writing but the shape is wrong and you stop. And start again. And stop. And then something you wrote sticks in the mind: suddenly there’s a new shape, the direction is clear and the words flow.
I agree that the parts wouldn’t work well alone: they are interdependent and form a logical whole, combining to present a reasoned argument.
It was clear to me reading this — and reinforced by the contrast against stereotypes — that you have your own unique combination of autistic (and other) traits. I can’t say whether or not people would assume that any person could be summed up completely in a single post, but it feels unlikely.
Thanks, and yes I think that the pressure to summarise everything in one post on the assumption that people will think it accounts for everything is almost entirely coming from me and my tendency to take things to extremes (‘perfectionism’) unless I’m very careful to counter this.
I almost feel like I just read about myself, save one or two details.
I also forgot to make the conversation ‘half and half’, especially if it’s an interesting topic. Conversely, sometimes I barely talk or respond at all, making me a difficult person to interact with at times!! But yeah, get onto a topic I like, and I can’t shut up..